Really Old Stuff Means What?

Cities, Pyramids, and Ziggurats are old everyone knows this but just how old? Does the ancientness of these buildings and cities affect our understanding of Bible Chronology? They should and here is where you can read about it.

The Biblical Abraham of Ur of Chaldea

Only in 17th Century European Minds and in those still being mislead by them!

New Post in Shaking the Ground of Bible Chronology on the real history of Ur of Chaldea.  It is older than we think, but getting rid of that old traditional chronology is important for understanding.

Ancient Egypt and Noah’s Ark!

Do you know Ancient Egypt has no post-creation flood in its huge historical storybook of mythology?

I bet you didn’t.

This lack, offers real problems for those that demand a worldwide Noah Flood. With this in mind, I posted about Noah’s ark today; how ABiT deals with the issue of not just Egypt’s lack of support but of Noah period!  It is a Series 2 page and the link to it is Series 2 It’s Older than We Think.  See the Right hand side bar and click or simply click on the blue wording Noah’s ark above.  It includes beautiful pictures from Don’s Maps a website I have visited often since joining the Internet years ago.


If you visit, you even get to experience some of the history of early wine manufacturing.  Because Noah and his wine are as much from the Bible, as is his surviving a world flood!  That does not include Ancient Egypt!







Animal Power- It’s Older than We Think

It’s Older than We Think

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Animal Power

Used with the kind permission of Cambridge University Press and taken from their book Sumer and the Sumerians by Harriet Crawford pg. 45.

I’ve mentioned that I got caught in this debate, over the chronology of the Bible because as child.  I wanted to know who the Pharaoh was that freed Joseph, the son of Jacob.  Back then and before, one of the reasons for discounting an early date for either person was because Joseph got to use Pharaoh’s chariot.  That is fine reasoning for the great thinkers of biblical chronology dating to the 17th century, but not modern scholarship.  We know so much more than those once great thinkers, but we are not incorporating this knowledge into much of anything, let alone our understanding of Bible Chronology. This in part explains why so many still don’t understand the early use of animal power in the development of our early civilizations of the Middle East.

In the past years, excavations in Abydos royal burial grounds of the Pre-dynastic and 1st dynasty uncovered a grave of 10 royal donkeys (O’Connor, 2009: 166).  Knowing that one of these earliest Pharaohs buried donkeys should rewrite our modern

Public Domain picture.

understanding of how transportation was arranged at such early dates.  This agrees with archaeological evidence that donkeys were domesticated in the 4th millennium and were being used, as pack animals not long afterwards (Rothman, 2001: 127).

What is the earliest documentation of working animals in the ancient world?  The top picture is one example from Mesopotamia.  In some elite tombs from the late Fifth and Sixth Dynasties, (2465—2150) we see cattle drawn ploughs (Wengrow, 2006:142). The early Eighteenth Dynasty saw cattle drafted and hauling stones from the quarry.

From Ancient Egypt by Oakes and Gahlin, page 51, published 2007. Used with deep gratitude and thanks

Cattle in Egypt were actually domesticated by the 5th millennium with false starts dating as early as the 9th millennium (Wengrow, 2006: 18, 46—48).  In the southern Levant cattle, domestication is clearly seen in the remains of the Ghassulian culture that disappears about 3300, with cattle ploughs in use by the EB II period ca. 2400 BCE (Mazar, 1992: 86—88, 118).

Horse domestication also dates back further than we are taught to believe.  Not to the usual 3,000BCE but by newer findings back to 4,800 at least for milk and meat purposes.  While metal bits, date horse riding to the Iron Age new studies found rawhide bits also deform horses teeth (Anthony, 2007: 193—224).  This means riding the noble horse possibly dates back before 4,000 in the areas rich in horse herds.  This does not include non-bit horse riding; that possibly occured in our long prehistory of domesticating big powerful and smaller animals.

Traditional chronology and its supporters do not include animal power in its calculations therefore eliminating the knowledge of animals in the use of Biblical stories.  According to archaeology, Abraham very possibly could have received his Pharaonic donkeys (Genesis 12:16) early as the 1st Dynasty if not earlier.  Balaam’s talking donkey (Numbers 22:28) in the same era, and definitely later.  As the picture below shows, Joseph could have been riding in a wheeled cart drawn as early as 2,700BCE, a sledge pulled by donkeys or cattle, or even in a litter bore around by donkeys.

From Princeton University Press, The Horse, the Wheel, and the Language, by David Anthony, page 404 published 2007. With deep gratitude and many thanks.

The power of animals was a great benefit to early human civilizations, and their use is greatly misunderstood in the history of our civilizations.

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Works cited

Anthony, David W.  The Horse the Wheel and Language; How Bronze-Age Riders from the Eurasian Steppes Shaped the Modern World.  Princeton, NJ: Princeton UP, 2007. 193—224 Print.

Mazar, Amihai.  Archaeology of the Land of the Bible; 10,000—586 B.C.E.  1st Pb ed. New York: Doubleday—Bantam, 1992.  86—88,118 Print.

O’Conner, David.  Abydos; Egypt’s First Pharaohs and the Cult of Osiris.  London: Thames, 2009.  Print.

Rothman, Mitchell S. ed.  Uruk Mesopotamia & Its Neighbors; Cross-Cultural Interactions in the Era of State Formation.  Santa Fe, NM: School of American Research P, 2001.  127 Print.  School of American research advanced seminar ser.

Wengrow, David.  The Archaeology of Early Egypt; Social Transformations in North-East Africa, 10,000 to 2650 BC.  Cambridge, Gt. Brit: 2006.  46—48, 142 Print.  Cambridge World Archaeology ser.

The Real Historical Shoshenq’s Role in Biblical Chronology

The Shaking Ground of Traditional Chronology

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Compared to the role he has been given by archaic Western scholars involved in traditional Biblical Chronology it isn’t much.  He falls from being the Biblical Shishak; the sacker of Jerusalem and Solomon’s Temple to just another Egyptian Pharaoh taking his marching army north, to show his Egypt’s power to the Asians in Canaan.  Yet, he is special because he was the first Pharaoh since Merenptah in almost 300 years, to do this.  He had ascended to the ancient Double Throne of Egypt in 945 and set his army on its northern march after he had secured Egypt.

In those long years, Egypt had suffered: in the reign of Ramesses III, his own Libyan ancestors had invaded Egypt twice.  In between the Libyan invasions, Ramesses had to fight off the Sea Peoples and allowed them to settle in the area beyond his own northeastern border.  Economic woes due to corruption produced the first strike in recorded history in Ramesses III 29th year (Shaw, 2000: 304—306).  Later there was other terrors like international humiliation as in the insults levied against an Egyptian official on a mission to Byblos to obtain wood for the god Amun.  Today, we know of his misadventures from the Tale of Wenamun (Grimal: 1999: 314).

The Pharaohs after Ramesses III were so weak, and poor they couldn’t protect the tombs of the great 18th and 19th Dynasty’s Pharaohs so they robbed them themselves, and cached the human remains in hidden places that wouldn’t be discovered until the 1800’s BCE (Grimal, 1999:289—291).  During this period, the god Amun literally became Pharaoh it was his will, as expressed by his priesthood.  That had become more important than Pharaoh’s representation of him on Earth, in the actual matters of life (Shaw, 2000: 313,331).

Finally, as the male line of the Ramesses Pharaohs, there were eleven in total, dies out.  Egypt divided again into Upper and Lower Egypt with the Chief Priest whom were also military commanders ruling Upper Egypt from Thebes, and a Pharaoh type king ruling in Lower delta area (Grimal: 1999: 285—289).  It isn’t such of a wonder now about the Tale of Wenamun.  Egypt had fallen low; its new Pharaoh Shoshenq wasn’t even an Egyptian, but a descendant of Libyan war prisoners.

Now Shoshenq, like the great ones before him Thutmose III, Seti I, his son Ramesses II and grandson Merenptah was taking his armies north clearly, demonstrating with his army in tow.  That he would tolerate no incursions into the sphere of historical Egyptian influence in the Southern Levant.  Nor would it hurt to remind these Southern Levant states of their proper place in a world ruled by Egypt, so his march northward had double purpose.

Fortunately, for him Assyria was still in its period of decline it had started after the murder of its King Tiglath-Pileser I in 1076 (Healy, 2000: 5).  It would not come out of it until thirteen years, after his own death in 924.  Therefore, he inflicted his depravations to the areas north of the Judean Hill country, such as outer Samaria and parts of Edom (Myśliwiec, 2000: 45).  He even attacks Megiddo, but not Jerusalem (Rohl, 1995: 124—127).  These areas traditionally persisted just beyond ancient Egyptian concerns and control (Redford, 1993: 33—35).

From Ancient Iraq, by Georges Roux facing page 267, with much gratitude.

Tiglath-Pileser I, was one of Assyria’s great warrior kings leading his armies against the expanding Aramareans whom he fought a recorded twenty-eight times protecting his Assyrian homeland, he also the first to name these people into history.  During his reign 1115-1076 he defeated a people he called Hittites, but they had called themselves the Milid, but linguistically and culturally related to the once powerful Hittite Empire that never recovered from its collapse in 1180 (Macqueen, 1999: 154—155).  Finally, he led his victorious army to the shores of the Mediterranean Sea (Stiebing 2003: 215).   Where he claims, tribute received from as many as three Phoenician cities, including Byblos and Sidon ancient trading partners with Egypt.  He secured Lebanese cedar and even claims to have been fishing with his “hosts” (Moscati, 1997:32).

The last Assyrian kings to threaten the Mediterranean states date to the Egyptian 19th dynasty during Ramesses II and his son Merenptah’s reigns that with their Hittite ally formed a barrier that could not be breached by the Assyrians.  Although the Assyrians at that time did manage, finally to defeat what was left of the once great Mitanni state removing it from Hittite influence moving it into theirs (Macqueen, 1999: 50). Pharaoh Shoshenq in his march north reminded those states he went through it wasn’t just the Assyrians they had to fear.  His Egypt was once again powerful and very much alive.

Works cited

Grimal, Nicolas.  A History of Ancient Egypt.  Trans.  Ian Shaw.  Oxford, Gt. Brit.: Blackwell, 1999. 314,  285—9  Print.

Healy, Mark.  The Ancient Assyrians.  Oxford, Gt. Brit: Osprey, 2000. 5  Print.

Macqueen, J.G.  The Hittites and their contemporaries in Asia Minor.  Rev. Ed.  New York: Thames, 1999. 50, 154—155 Print.

Moscati, Sabatino, ed.  The Phoenicians.  New York: Rizzoli, 1997. 32  Print.

Myśliwiec, Karol.  The Twilight of Ancient Egypt; First Millennium B.C.E.  Trans. David Lorton.  Ithaca, NY: Cornell UP, 2000.  45  Print.

Redford, Donald B.  Egypt, Canaan, and Israel in Ancient Times.  1st Pb. ed. Princeton, NJ: Princeton UP, 1993.  33—35  Print.

Rohl, David M.  Pharaohs and Kings; a Biblical Quest.  New York: Crown, 1995.  124—7   Print.  Originally published in Gt. Brit. as A Test of Time.

Shaw, Ian. ed.  The Oxford History of Ancient Egypt.  Oxford, Gt. Brit: Oxford UP, 2000.  304—6, 313, 331  Print.

Stiebing, William H. Jr.  Ancient Near Eastern History and Culture.  N.p.: Longman, 2003.  215  Print.

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Hello? Again in history who is Shishak?

The Shaking Ground of Traditional Chronology

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When, I heard that Dr. David M. Rohl had his New Chronology and named Ramesses II as the real Biblical Shishak. I panicked had he discovered my Bronze Age chronology and beat me to disclosing my identification of Shishak? No, he used another way, mainly translation of a nickname used by the ancient Egyptians (Rohl, 1995: 156—163). Nicknames in ancient Egypt wasn’t as uncommon as you might think (Tyldesley, 1995: 77). When I realized his method was very different. I relaxed and took heart. He had provided me another source identifying the same Pharaoh as Shishak.

I had used the plague in the Levant, Egypt, and Hittite dating to the 18th dynasty as one of my identifiers. Others included the similarities in the names of Jehoshaphat/Merenptah and Jehoram/Ramesses and the famine of Ahab (1Kings 18:2) era with that of the Hittite famine that Merenptah famously sent Egyptian grain to feed Hittite (Shaw: 2000: 303). This method of mine allowed only Ramesses II to be Shishak.

Traditional chronology bases its identification of Shoshenq I as Shishak on the work of Sir John Marsham, 1st Baronet 1602—1682, in ca. 1649 as Archbishop James Ussher was working on his own chronology of Biblical history. Later, Sir Isaac Newton credited John Marsham and his math in discovering who Shishak was. (Many internet sites wrongly reference Sir John Marshall as Newton’s source, but Sir John Marshall lived long after Sir Newton.) That is it, there is no archaeological evidence supporting the traditional chronology identification of Shoshenk I as Shishak.

Dr. K.A. Kitchen acknowledges that Ramesses II in his 7/8 year with his army in tow just passed Jerusalem by (Kitchen, 1985: 67—68). While, Dr. Myśliwiec writing of Shoshenq’s campaign and supposed sacking of Jerusalem as Shishak (Myśliwiec, 2000: 45). He wonders at the lack of supporting historical documentation in Shoshenq’s geographical listing of the names of towns. That he did conquer but not listing Jerusalem or any other central Judean hill city. No, kidding Dr. Karol Myśliwiec then explains, “The opinion is that the relief does not depict historical reality but rather is modeled after an original from the time of Tuthmosis III, Amenophis II, or one of the great Ramessides. Once again, propaganda prevailed over fact.”

So, hello?  Again who is the historical Shishak? Ramesses, the second by that name, the Great indeed.

Sources cited

Kitchen, Kenneth A. Pharaoh Triumphant the Life and Times of Ramesses II, King of Egypt. Warminster, Gt. Brit: Aris, 1985. 67—68 Print.

Myśliwiec, Karol. The Twilight of Ancient Egypt; First Millennium B.C.E. Trans. David Lorton. Ithaca, NY: Cornell UP, 2000. 45 Print.

Rohl, David M.  Pharaohs and Kings; a Biblical Quest.  New York: Crown, 1995. 156—163   Print.  Originally published in Gt. Brit. as A Test of Time.

Shaw, Ian. ed. The Oxford History of Ancient Egypt. Oxford, Gt. Brit: Oxford UP, 2000. 303 Print.

Tyldesley, Joyce. Daughters of Isis; Women of Ancient Egypt. London: Penguin, 1995. 77 Print.

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